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Why the hell are liberal men the most depressed demographic?

I'd think conservative men would be more depressed on average? Like, the world is already going in the direction that a lefty would want. Birth rates among western people are going down, marriages are an outdated practice, hate speech laws that take away the freedom of people to insult minorities are spreading all over the world (even by the republican party, who passed an anti-semitism awareness act). Like, the leftist utopia (which to ME would be a dystopia) is increasing, so why the hell are lefties more depressed on average? Could it just be a generaiton thing?
Theyitis · 36-40, M
To borrow an Analogy from Shrek, liberal men are like onions, we’ve got layers. Conservatives see everything in black and white, which makes life so much simpler and easier for them.
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TrashCat · M
@MarthannBann888 It's the Floridian manitee and her crazy talk 😂
Northwest · M
Your opinions are not a substitute for facts.

In the real world, polls show, consistently, that liberal democracies have the highest percentage of happy people.
@BRUUH I understand what you're saying. First, it's a survey; people are self-reporting their happiness according to a scale. Some groups may have learned to hide their feelings and not be willing to admit, on an anonymous form, how they truly feel.

This is illuminating:
[quote][b]4. People with depression cluster on the left.[/b]

However, there may be a different explanation. In our sample, 281 people say they have been diagnosed with depression. If I remove them from the sample and run the first regression shown above (the one with happiness as the dependent variable), ideology is no longer statistically significant. Now, only physical health, race and household income are related to happiness (with whites being more likely to report being happy).

It does not seem to be the case that progressives in general are slightly less happy than conservatives, when other factors are similar. Rather, people with depression are reducing the mean happiness of liberals.

Indeed, people with depression cluster on the left. In the sample as a whole, 5% of respondents identify as extremely liberal, but 14% of the people who have been diagnosed with depression are extremely liberal.
Conservatives represent 18.5% of the sample but just 11% of those with diagnosed depression. This pattern is consistent with previous studies.

Saying that you are depressed or reporting a diagnosis of depression depends on many factors–not only one’s mental health and access to medical care but also one’s beliefs and attitudes about psychology, which may relate to ideology. From our survey, it is not clear whether depressed people are concentrated on the left or whether people who employ the label of depression tilt that way.[/quote]
[b]https://equityresearch.tufts.edu/why-being-conservative-is-correlated-with-higher-happiness/[/b]
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Northwest · M
@TrashCat Have no idea.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
To be honest, for every study you see there's an opposite study because there's so many different things that can add to whatever and really, a study on 2,000 liberal men wouldn't even be enough to equal worldwide.

I think sitting at home all the time and then reading on the Internet about groups of people is different than seeing the world for what it is.
@SatanBurger I love how you lowkey tell me I don't go out enough.
I'm a member of a yoga class. I train in MMA. I have a job and talk to like 40 strangers a day. I have a date with a chick soon actually. Like, there's more to my life than internet stuff, but you obviously aren't gonna see that if you only see me on, y'know.. the internet?
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@BRUUH It wasn't directed solely at you, when I made the comment I was thinking about similarities I see when people make sweeping generalizations whether they live in towns or cities. But now that you brought yourself up, I can address that.

Talking to hundreds of people a day doesn't equal wisdom. Because you're not with them personally to notice red flags or what they got going on. I've also traveled to six different states due to moving around a lot as a kid.

I can't tell you the countless times I've observed of people who make it appear that everything is fine but it's not.

One thing I learned is that outwardly stuff is sort of like Facebook or Instagram. You can have a smiling family with tons of pictures of your children. Your house is a white picket fence dream. Husband maybe is a youth pastor or maybe you're divorced but a socialite in a conservative church.

Then, turns out one of the kids goes free to the neighbors and turns out, they were being abused this whole time ahem Ruby Franke.

Life and people are sort of like that, honestly, it isn't a judgement, sometimes things are complicated and sometimes easy to see thru people but that when you make wide sweeping generalizations about an entire world of liberals considering the population, it tells me you and people like you haven't spent any time with others.

Or you have done so but you have red flags yourself so when you meet a like minded conservative person, you don't recognize it and are always looking warning signs of people opposite from you. Maybe you don't recognize that.

Who knows?
The user @Northwest implied my claim that male liberals are more depressed is made up.
Five ppl hearted this, instead of looking it up for themselves to see if he's right, or i'm right.

Don't know who those five ppl are, but i'm assuing it's the peeps on here who detract from me on my post. @TrashCat @SatanBurger @ViciDraco

https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/why-depression-rates-are-higher-among-liberals

https://www.slowboring.com/p/why-are-young-liberals-so-depressed

Conservative men are the least depressed, which makes no sense to me because according to all of you white conservative males are the epitome of all things this world would be better without?

On another note, why do you think conservative women are less depressed than liberal women?
@SatanBurger Ok first off we DO NOT come off as last in "EVERY" human right in the USA. We don't come in last within freedom of speech. We don't come in last for gun rights. Most of the rights we fall behind in are positive rights, meaning entitlements such as "the right for healthcare" and stuff like that. Actual autonomy, we are free as fuck.
And the world IS going in a left wing direction? Have you ever talked to someone more than 10 years younger than you? There are more boomers than any other age group; their vote is why certain western countries have right wing leaders voted into power. Once they die, the world is going to look very different.

Most of the rest of what you say is about political parties and such. But the world as a whole in terms of cutlure of attitudes is moving more far left. Maybe the economy isn't, but maybe it will when boomers start dying off and the generation that idolized reagan aren't around.

That said, monogamous homogenous families are bordering on a thing of the past. White people have low birth rates and are set to be a minority. Church attendances are down. Like, all the things boogeymen in the world like white family people are going to go extinct, and then who will be left to oppress you with their right wing evil? You're all the ppl who make the world what you speak of will not be around.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@BRUUH For developed worlds comparatively we do come in last, there's new numbers that support this. I wasn't comparing to the entire world. I literally said "we are the highest for female mortality rates for developed worlds."

I don't know why you care about race so much. If whites are going to become a minority it could be that some white people marry outside of their own race. Not really because people are plotting against white men purposely to weed us out or something. It's not some plot. You'll live to a good old age I'm sure.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Liberal men don't have an attachment to birth rates going down and marriage is still wildly popular among liberals.

Liberals made some gains in social space. But it's a constant war. We have to constantly defend lbtq rights and women's rights. It's not a thing that is won and we can move into the next thing. The whole Supreme Court throwing out Wade vs Roe is evidence of that.

Economically, the left barely has a presence in US politics. We've never recovered from the damage Reagan started inflicting. The power of labor is weak, wages have been stagnant, income inequality is greater than ever.

Liberals also tend to think more globally and stress out more about problems that don't directly impact them. Going back to my tribal analogies from the other post, liberal men consider themselves part of a larger tribe and so adopt the stresses of worrying about far more people.

I do wish you would not conflate liberals with lefties though. The US Liberal is left of the US conservative, but they are still very much a center right to centrist group. Actual lefties aren't really represented in American politics right now.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@BRUUH Roe vs. Wade was definitely protecting women's rights. It shouldn't be a state issue. Not going to budge on that.

I was born and raised in Ohio. I currently live in Florida.

I care about the global state of things because I consider us one human race. White race, black race, whatever are all social constructs made up to create artificial divisions between us. I have more common cause with a random worker in China than I do with a billionaire in my own nation.

What communist superpower is going to overtake us? China is more state capitalist despite their communism claim, but even if we grant them communism, their economy is entirely dependent on the west. They have significant internal problems that are going to be swiftly exacerbated by demographic collapse.
@ViciDraco Whether you think it should be a state issue or not doesn't change the fact that constitutionally, it should. Roe v wade was probably unconstitutional from my understanding of the federal law and the intent of the founders to let local communities self govern.

Damn bro, i'm really close to you. I just got back from living in Miami. Why do you live in the south as a lib?

[quote]I have more common cause with a random worker in China than I do with a billionaire in my own nation.[/quote]
Ask the random chinese guy what he thinks of homosexuals, then ask bill gates, and see if you still say that.

[quote]What communist superpower is going to overtake us? China is more state capitalist despite their communism claim, but even if we grant them communism, their economy is entirely dependent on the west. They have significant internal problems that are going to be swiftly exacerbated by demographic collapse[/quote]
Please explain more. I'm curious about this topic.What are those internal conflicts and why? Also, isn't our economy dependent on them too? Isn't it more of a mutual interdependency? maybe not
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@BRUUH there is a good bit of interdependency between our economies, yes. But the network of trade alliances the US has is more resilient to the loss of China than China is to the loss of the US. It'll still hurt us like hell, but we have the upper hand at the moment.

A lot of China's internal difficulty is that a lot of the economic power it has had been propped up by "busywork" projects. Look up their housing investment issue, as an example.

A good source for demographic information is to look up Peter Zeihan (think i have the spelling right) on YouTube. I actually think you'll like a lot of his content.

As for why I love in the south... I started with no political affiliation and came down for college. Then I got employment here. I first drifted to Libertarianism when I did enter politics. However, I have shifted pretty hard to the libertarian left. I don't consider myself a Liberal. I side with liberals on more issues than I do with conservatives. But I am pretty far too the Left of liberals. Liberals are still a bit too right wing for me. I do consider myself a Leftist.
TrashCat · M
Where is this information coming from? 😂

Most co servative men I see are angry and always combining about something that doesn't effect them.
For example, they are obsessed with Trans and the sex lives of other people and who is marrying who.
Mordechai · 31-35, M
I think when you're the type of person to worry about things, you're going to stay that way. I'd say I'm more left but I've just focused on my own life and I'm happier.
Paladin · 56-60, M
They're almost as bad as the trump cultists.
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PinkRangerCassie · 26-30, F
@BRUUH It's really sad what's happening, a lot of people are suffering because of the woke mob, even the people they claim to "fight" injustices against. People like Lia Thomas are what I refer to as "trenders", transitioned mostly out of a fetish, same with Dylan Mulvaney who surprise surprise is not on hormones, most likely never will. So these are the people who "represent" trans people. That's the equivalent of a gang banger representing the majority of black people or the KKK or an extreme right winger representing all white people. See how it's bad when it affects everyone? Trans people are such a minority people don't really care if they get generalized or not especially today with everything going on. You know a trans girl named Blaire White? She seems to have the most common sense as a trans person, if you don't know her she's a trans woman who makes videos reacting to woke tik tok videos and roasting them. Just know that maybe the media doesn't show them as much but there are a lot more trans people like that who just act regular and live their lives as normal day to day minding their own business irl. People just see all this online stuff and think that's all or most trans people. Real trans people are invisible today, but maybe that is a good thing because visibility is what killed trans people's reputation beyond repair. Most of the loud ones flat out aren't even trans to begin with or just doing it out of a fetish. Like I said all the genuine old school trans people got pushed out of their own community. I used to support the lgbt even a decade ago, it is totally unrecognizable today, full of activists, groomers, fetishist alike. It doesn't mean I'm going to be transphobic now like most people. I feel that just shows someone their true colors, allowing extreme ideology from either side to create hatred for an entire group. I am passionate about this because I have trans friends who agree with me
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Vin53 · M
Ill tell you why, Its quite simple, Ignorance is bliss. Full stop.
PinkRangerCassie · 26-30, F
Almost agreed to everything until you said “take away the freedom the insult minorities”. I get the freedom of speech aspect but that just sounded off
@PinkRangerCassie I mean freedom TO. I guess I typed it wrong. taking away freedom to insult minorities just means hate speech laws.
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Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Ever listen to NPR? All things considered is horribly depressing. Every day its's another cute animal being wiped out or some other natural wonder being descecrated. It's too much to bare.
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TrashCat · M
@NoThanksLeon Bro...you like 100? No one has man buns or wears skinny jeans anymore 😂
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